Saturday, 25 January 2020

"What happens if the powerful miners decide to increase the 21 million limit?"

This used to be a common question in the old days of r/bitcoin, when people who understood the dangers of centralized inflation tried to understand Bitcoin.

The answer was always: "well, the miners could do that but Bitcoin would lose all value to a competing currency which was not inflationary, since nobody wants inflation in their own wallet".

Regarding this horrendous idea of a centralized entity with no accountability pocketing 12% of the mining reward, I see lots of comments arguing it doesn't matter what we think, the miners have decided what is good for us. "It doesnt matter what you think, you are not a miner","Get hash power or stfu" etc.

This is so wrong.

It is us the users and the great community of BCH which give it value, not the miners. We have the ultimate power. And the great power of BCH community is the moral high ground based on freedom and the belief in a better world, free from centralized money creation fueling corruption and power abuse.

What's to stop this cartel from changing the 21M limit, the mining reward etc when they have grabbed enough power of the community? Sure, these might be trusted people now but what about in ten years when the 12% are worth the average of a average country BNP?

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

No I am not a miner and will probably never be. But I can vote with my feet and sell my BCH. As a matter of fact, many other cryptos already has a much more transparent and decentralized way of funding development. Why should I go for a lousy version of Dash? What happened to those of you who always bash Dash, where are you now?

If developers need money, ask for donations. It works for Monero and it works here. You can develop BCH all the way to perfection but I won't care if it's on the road to becoming The Fed 2.0. Bitcoin must follow the Whitepaper or I'm out.

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Please explain how any of the fund money is coming from miners

Please tell me how are "BTC miners paying" or any miner at all. The money are from the block reward, thus from inflating the coin. This inflation used to pay for security, now it will pay for a little less security and a bit more development. That's it.

As explained, less security means miners will mine less, so no, they are not paying us any money. They just mine what's most profitable, as always.

"But this will make 0.3% of the hash power unneeded, thus mining at a loss paying for the fund". No. All crypto prices collapsed 5% last weak, did miners care? 0.3% is nothing.

All of the fund money are coming solely from inflation and some will now go towards devs, instead of security.

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JPMorgan puts pressure on South African banks to close crypto exchange accounts.

JPMorgan puts pressure on South African banks to close crypto exchange accounts. submitted by /u/spankygti
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In the mean while, we've done >1700 #CashFusion transactions bringing back #privacy to over 6500 BCH. Pretty impressive if you ask me! 🚀🚀🚀

In the mean while, we've done >1700 #CashFusion transactions bringing back #privacy to over 6500 BCH. Pretty impressive if you ask me! 🚀🚀🚀 submitted by /u/rancid_sploit
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Time for some to move on...

I support the funding proposal... Of course I have my personal doubts, see potential red flags, and still need to fully comprehend how this can all play out...

But I believe it's time for BCH to start fulfilling its potential. And the strong commitment indicated by 4 of the biggest names in BCH, will bring great benefit to Bitcoin Cash imo...

It can go wrong of course but I believe the potential upside is factors greater than the worst case doomsday thinking I see everywhere now...

It's funny how suddenly the ''Evil Chinese Miners'' talking point is back...Which brings me to my following point:

I am for this proposal, many of you are against it...
It makes it hard for me to read correctly into all of your worries, as effectively you are standing shoulder to shoulder, screaming with Corebois, SVtards and other BCH haters, who are just here to create as much sabotage, distrust, chaos as possible...

The commitment signaling from Bitcoin.com and the Chinese is obvious; they will go ahead and commit 110% to making the fund happen...

So at this point if you are truly not able to digest what is coming; it might be time for you to drop your support for BCH..

It's ok... I understand the fanatic positions to rather see BCH dwindle into oblivion (and feel proud still), then to make a single trade off that is needed to guarantee long term survival and thriving of the chain... It's an emotional battle we are all having to an extend...

But the simple truth is that everyone here had 2.5 years of undisturbed momentum to build up BCH in its most perfect and puritan form, engage in community building, write up proposals etc etc etc... And to be clear, many community members have done amazing things since aug 2017...

But sadly fact is, the tragedy of the commons did hit BCH, and certain problems are just not going to solve itself... and without action and a solution, this project can easily end in an irreversible and definitive failure...

If I have the choice between being a moral knight and turning my back on BCH, or accept the trade off... I will stand with the proven track record of Roger's, Jihan's and Haipo's integrity and love for BCH.

The Bitcoin Cash train is moving on, onto world domination, globally mass adopted as P2P cash... And Im not gonna leave myself behind...

So make up your mind..

P.S. We can all complain about everything not being picture perfect, but in the end the hashing machines decide... And they have announced their decision...

If I had to post one suggestion; I would like to see a Pledge from the 4 gents, to not proceed directly after these 6months, with a second 6 month term... Lets keep this TRIAL AND ERROR, as a first attempt

Let's use the nov20-may21 season to evaluate the 6 month period; examine and analyze usage of the funds... address the % in case BCH price goes up substantially... and eventually agree if we should do this again may21-nov21, do it in an amended version, or stop doing it at all...

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Bitcoin Social Justice Culture? ft. Andreas M. Antonopoulos

Bitcoin Social Justice Culture? ft. Andreas M. Antonopoulos submitted by /u/chrisguida
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Blockchain wallet ID reminder not working??

Blockchain wallet ID reminder not working?? submitted by /u/JackHinde
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